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Onetime media flunky and movie buff and very glad to have left that mess behind. Formerly Michael Blowhard of the cultureblog 2Blowhards.com. Now a rootless parasite and bon vivant on a quest to find the perfectly-crafted artisanal cocktail.
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38 Responses to Linkage

  1. Will S. says:

    Thanks for the linkage!

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  2. Josh says:

    “Renegade” is quite the understatement. Chip Smith is a Holocaust denier and publishes Holocaust denial material. Why link to such an odious figure?

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  3. agnostic says:

    So much lurid silliness in that article on evolution psychology, which ought to be re-named “Nerds Speculating about Sex (NSS)”. Oral and anal sex, masturbation, and homosexuality are diseases of psychological self-awareness — they do not go any further back than about 500 B.C. and are absent in contemporary hunter-gatherers. It’s tempting to lump them in with “diseases of civilization,” but even early city-dwellers did not practice sexual perversions.

    That’s why there’s nothing in Hammurabi’s Code about them (c. 1780 B.C.), but become regular examples of unlawful behavior by the time the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah were written down in Genesis (c. 6th century B.C.).

    And they don’t appear on any paleo cave paintings — what a joke. It’s like that guy who in the ’90s or 2000s said that some paleo figurine shows a woman masturbating, her hand cupping the back of her head as she goes into ecstasy. Then you look at the thing, and it’s just a garden variety birth statue. Weirdos see what they want to see.

    Jesus, even mouth-to-mouth kissing, let alone with tongue action, is rare across the world, and basically invisible throughout history.

    Only one study has ever used surveys to quantitatively detail the sex lives of primitives, Hewlett & Hewlett (2010). No oral, no anal, no homos, no masturbation. The Aka Pygmies didn’t even understand what masturbation was when it was explained to them, and neither did the Lese men who Robert Bailey studied (another Central African forest group). Only if a group had been to a nearby city had they heard about oral.

    ‘One Aka woman said that a “man never puts the clitoris in his mouth; if he does he will vomit.” ‘

    All right, let’s hear it for the Noble Savage!

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    • >>Oral and anal sex, masturbation, and homosexuality are diseases of psychological self-awareness — they do not go any further back than about 500 B.C. and are absent in contemporary hunter-gatherers.

      How exactly is oral sex a “disease”? And are you saying no one before 500 B.C. had any psychological awareness?

      >>Only one study has ever used surveys to quantitatively detail the sex lives of primitives, Hewlett & Hewlett (2010). No oral, no anal, no homos, no masturbation.

      This one study of one specific group is therefore dispositive of all pre-6th century BC peoples?

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      • agnostic says:

        Read the link. There is other cross-cultural work, but it’s not using quantitative surveys, but more observational / impressionistic. Even that qualitative work, summed up in a cite in the post linked to, shows how rare oral, anal, homo, masturbation, even mouth-to-mouth / erotic kissing is across the primitive groups these days.

        Hunter-gatherer groups today are our best indirect guess about what life was like for primitive man in the old days. For the direct line, there is simply no evidence that any of that stuff took place, but that it suddenly showed up in the second half of the 1st millennium BC (in western Eurasia, anyway — later in other places, not at all in others).

        Practices that are weird / deviant, that don’t obviously further reproduction, and that impair survival are likely to be “new” in human evolution. Else they would’ve been weeded out long ago.

        It ought to give modern liberal Westerners pause to consider the fact that most people across the world and throughout human evolution have not even masturbated or French kissed. We shouldn’t unfairly project our deviancies onto primitive peoples.

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    • Chip Smith says:

      Agnostic,

      “The Aka Pygmies didn’t even understand what masturbation was when it was explained to them.”

      But children masturbate. So does my neutered cat. Had the Aka Pygmies not observed such or similar behavior? That such or similar behavior is absent in their environs? It seems more plausible to suspect that ethnographic surveys may be unreliable, perhaps because social taboos and customs advise dishonesty among natives who are being interrogated by strangers about intimate matters.

      I’m not saying it’s not possible. But you seem awfully credulous in the face of a claim that fairly begs for scrutiny. Human beings and other animals have erogenous bits, man. What’s weird is the notion that they wouldn’t fiddle.

      And what’s with all the rhetorical cheerleading? Would you prefer to live in a world without blowjobs and muffdives and sundry and evolving forms of polymorphous perversity? Do you think movies were ruined with the advent of talkies?

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  4. agnostic says:

    Detailed post with more excerpts and link to the Hewlett & Hewlett study:

    http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2013/03/primitive-mans-sex-life-was-free-of.html

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  5. agnostic says:

    Cunnilingus does little or nothing to further reproduction, and impairs survival by giving the man oral cancer via the human papillomavirus. Now let’s figure out its adaptive value — sounds real promising.

    Right after we crack the puzzle of how adaptive it is for a man to find all pussy disgusting, and prefer instead to blow his wad in another man’s Hersey highway.

    Maybe Ev Psych should be given a broader new name, like Rationalizing Abnormality (RA). It’s astounding and depressing to see how intergalactically out-of-touch the field has become over the past 20 years. If you haven’t dipped into the literature before, Daly & Wilson’s book Homicide (1988) is still the best single work. There isn’t a single lurid, clever-silly sentence in the whole book.

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    • >>Cunnilingus does little or nothing to further reproduction

      Fun how you’ve settled that issue.

      >>impairs survival by giving the man oral cancer via the human papillomavirus

      I’m guessing that millions upon millions of men thru history have gone down on their wives/girlfriends/partners with zero negative (i.e. disease) consequences, so I’m not exactly sure how pussy-eating “impairs survival.” I’d hazard that drinking tainted water has caused far more death throughout history.

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      • agnostic says:

        Well, guess again. There’s no record of weird, non-procreative sex practices before the middle of the 1st millennium BC — no pictures, no writings, no tales passed along orally (d’oh). That’s when you start to read Sodom and Gomorrah stories, the Kamasutra, and so on. Human beings are not the same today as they were 2000 years ago, let alone 10,000 or 100,000 years ago.

        Aside from the lack of attestation to oral, anal, homo, etc., why would you assume that even if they did so, cunnilingus would have zero negative consequences? Ever heard of venereal disease? It’s a common mode of transmission for pathogens. Turns out cervical cancer is caused by an STD, so is oral cancer (outside of cases from smoking), in addition to the Hall of Famers like syphilis.

        As biologists have begun to take the germ theory of disease seriously again, they’ve discovered that more and more diseases have a pathogenic origin. Ulcers and stomach cancer are not caused by stress, but by helicobacter pylori. Same goes for sexually spread pathogens — more diseases are now recognized as STDs, and it’s just the tip of the iceberg. Give it time, and more cancers etc. will be found to be crytpo-STDs.

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      • Janon says:

        The relationship between gastric carcinoma and H. pylori is complex. It would be more correct to say that H. pylori is implicated in the vast majority of gastric marginal zone lymphomas (“MALT lymphomas”), although again not all. The H. pylori-negative MALT lymphomas sometimes have interesting chromosomal translocations.

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    • Toddy Cat says:

      You’re kidding, right? RIGHT?

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  6. Re that Heartiste thing.

    Henry Miller is the great modern writer on screwing a lot of women. To the great dismay of Heartiste readers, I would think, Miller accomplished this while dirt poor and begging people to feed him.

    I continue to believe that Heartiste is actually a journal of the ongoing feud between the drama queens and the fag hags. That site is gay as a three dollar bill.

    Years ago, a gay friend of mine dragged me to a Warren Farrell “workshop.” I attended with my late wife, Myrna. The workshop was full of guys and gals of questionable sexuality bitching at one another about the impossibility of finding love in this modern world.

    They became furious with me and Myrna, because we were happily married. At one point, Myrna became so frustrated with their attempts to re-invent romance according to a correctly modern intellectual outlook, she blurted out: “Why in the hell don’t you morons just do things the way your mothers and fathers did?”

    The men’s movement was (and probably still is) populated mostly by gay guys and fag hags. It splintered off from the mainstream contingent of gays who decided to fabricate their persecution and create a civil rights movement, asserting that they were persecuted just like gays during Jim Crow.

    Heartiste appears to me to be completely gay. I’m not knocking the site. It’s interesting to visit once in a while, and there’s a slim kernel of truth there. You’ve got to wonder about the hordes of fags and fag hags who have been slugging it out there for years.

    And, for those of you who don’t understand how this can be… I’ll tell you a secret. Gay guys very often also fuck women. Those women are the very devious critters known as fag hags.

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    • Kudzu Bob says:

      Henry Miller is the great modern writer on screwing a lot of women. To the great dismay of Heartiste readers, I would think, Miller accomplished this while dirt poor and begging people to feed him.

      You just revealed your ignorance of Game.

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      • I’m happy to remain ignorant of Game. I’ve got better things to do.

        And, I’ve always been happily connected to a great woman. What do I need with that crap?

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      • Will S. says:

        Yes, all of us men who like women and are bent on learning female psychology to either get with or hold onto women are secretly fags in denial. And no conflation to confuse the MRAs and MGTOWs with the PUAs, no, none at all…

        Old farts can’t swallow the Red Pill. Shows their irrelevance, in the world they gave rise to by not opposing feminism hard enough because they were too ‘gentlemanly’. Oh well. Their worldview will die with them; the future belongs to the younger, as it always has.

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  7. >>There’s no record of weird, non-procreative sex practices before the middle of the 1st millennium BC — no pictures, no writings, no tales passed along orally (d’oh).

    And just b/c no written records survive, I’m supposed to believe these non-procreative practices never happened? OK. Just b/c something doesn’t appear in a paleo cave painting doesn’t mean it didn’t occur.

    >>Aside from the lack of attestation to oral, anal, homo, etc., why would you assume that even if they did so, cunnilingus would have zero negative consequences? Ever heard of venereal disease?

    I’m not saying disease has never been passed via oral sex, I’m saying oral sex doesn’t necessarily “impair survival.” Millions of men practice oral sex yet I’ve never heard of an epidemic of oral cancer sweeping the globe.

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  8. >>Is Holocaust denial just something a little “weird” to you?

    I couldn’t care less about someone denying the Holocaust. Besides, a person can be very wrong about X but right about A, B, and C.

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  9. >>Read the link.

    As you yourself acknowledge, it’s a study of only one group. I don’t discount the evidence, but I don’t think it’s dispositive either.

    >>Practices that are weird / deviant, that don’t obviously further reproduction, and that impair survival are likely to be “new” in human evolution.

    The key phrase is “don’t obviously.” Perhaps these practices further procreation in non-obvious ways. Isn’t that what the Evo-Bio scientists are asking in their original study? Seems like a perfectly valid question to me. Sure, you may be ultimately right, but I don’t dismiss their investigation out of hand.

    The piece even ends with an acknowledgement of their limitations:

    “The important caveat is that, as evolutionary scientists, we should not be so hasty to link various behaviors to adaptations,” Pham said. “Many behaviors are simply byproducts, and therefore may not be linked to any survival or reproductive benefits.”

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  10. Josh — Chip Smith is a daring fringe publisher who likes playing with what the mainstream considers dangerous and taboo ideas. I’m all for that. Christ, the mainstream publishers are a dull lot. Anyway, have a read of this interview with him and then tell me how Chip is different than the fringe publishers of the ’40s and ’50s who played with the taboo and dangerous ideas of their age. Those guys are now considered some of the essential culture-creators of their era; I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if Chip eventually finds recognition as one of the Barney Rossets of our age. He isn’t some brain-damaged, basement dwelling Klan guy; he’s a sophisticated, subversive guy with a ‘zine-style sensibility and a curiosity about thought-crimes.

    Incidentally, and just for the record: If I link to an article in, for instance, the NYTimes, I’m not endorsing everything that reporter has ever written, let alone everything the Times has ever printed. I’m just saying “Hey, you might find THIS SPECIFIC THING I’m linking to interesting. I did.” In this case I found Chip’s interview with HBD*Chick really terrific.

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    • Josh says:

      He’s not just a “daring fringe publisher”. He’s a Holocaust denier and publisher of Holocaust denial material.

      You’re right that he’s not some “Klan guy”. From what I understand, most Klan guys aren’t Holocaust deniers. Chip Smith is a Holocaust denier.

      I don’t understand why you feel the need to use euphemisms to describe him, unless you don’t think they’re euphemisms at all because you don’t think Holocaust denial is a morally serious matter.

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      • Have you noticed that Chip also publishes Manson-related books? As well as books about meth, and books advocating suicide? Have you read the intro to the website where he sells his books? “Nine-Banded Books is dedicated to free thought and free inquiry — to the uncensored and unfettered discussion of all ideas and propositions, even the ones that make whores blush, that make the open-minded squeamish, and that might cause old Voltaire to have second thoughts. Our books are not for the faint-of-heart, the thin-skinned or those who are easily thrown into fits of self-righteous indignation. Our books exist at the murky borderlands at the edge of acceptable discourse where no dogma is safe, where no cow is sacred, and where people with better sense than you know not to tread.”

        If you’re taking Chip to be a *believer* in mass murder, meth use, Holocaust denialism, etc — as opposed to a guy who’s deeply committed to the worth of exploring weirdo and fringe ideas — then you’re making the kind of mistake only a simpleton or a monomaniac makes.

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      • Kudzu Bob says:

        A Holocaust denier is anybody who says that the Nazis killed 5,999,999 Jews.

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  11. Even if Agnostic’s right about non-obviously-reproductive sexual activities being relatively recent arrivals on the scene, so what? I don’t like a lot of what resulted from leaving our hunter-gatherer past behind, but some of it (movies, air conditioning, cocktails, superb restaurants) I like a lot. Have you ever looked/read-about what hunter-gatherers eat? It isn’t very appealing — I remember one account of how a tribe chased down a baboon, killed it, dragged it back to the village, threw it on a fire, and basically pulled it apart by hand. Oh, and they scooped out the brain and ate that too. Blech. Me, I’m grateful that civilization, whatever its other horrors, has come up with food-prep and food-presentation that’s ‘way more enjoyable and thrilling to me than charred baboon brain. Maybe it’s the same with sex. Maybe sex in a hunter-gatherer context is blunt and basic — purely survival-oriented. And maybe one thing civilization has done is tease the whole “sex” thing up into the fun set of options we have today: stripper poles, oral sex, making out, leather straps, buttfucking, nipple clamps, French movies …

    Isn’t that what a lot of the best achievements of civilization are: taking the human basics (eating, shelter, reproduction, storytelling, etc) and teasing them up into more elaborate and appealing things: eggs Benedict, Victorian houses, elaborate love-making, novels …? Yay to all that. Why bother with civilization at all if you aren’t going to enjoy its benefits?

    (Edit) I see that I’ve probably mis-taken Agnostic’s point. Apologies for that. But I’m going to leave my comment up anyway — I like the idea of civilization being partly a matter of teasing the basics up into a delightful, frothier thing.

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  12. slumlord says:

    Ray, thanks for the link love.

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  13. epiminondas says:

    Nice links.

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